Some People Ask Me How I Would Define A Christian Nation (Round 2)

Not everyone is enamored of my definition of a Christian nation. Poster No.1 has this to say about it & related topics: (light editing to obscure names &  identifying details; footnotes & links added by yrs trly)

Why did it take the women to Man Up enough to realize that we are in a fight!  Kingdom against Kingdom!

When a person offends you or lies to you or somehow hurts you individually, you are called to forgive them (I believe that is when they come to you seeking forgiveness - I think).  THAT is when you are called to turn the other cheek!!![1]

… are u really saying that because Jesus allowed himself to be tried, convicted wrongly, and put to death, that's what we should do?[2] If someone wants to deny our God Given Rights we should stand there and say, "Would you like to rob me of anything else, too?"[3]

There is a time for every season.  If you love this country and what it has stood for (more so in the past), you need to make a stand-a stand for God and a return to His principles not just one on one, but as a nation.

… I truly believe that we WERE One Nation Under God.  But, we have squarely turned our back (as a nation) on God.  I am afraid (not fearful) that He has just now removed His hand of providential protection from us as a nation.  If we don't turn this ship around-and soon-(2 Chron 7:14), I think we will see the end of that chapter played out here.

This is no time to sit back and say: "World do whatever you want to God's people (yes, I'm including Israel), and we will sit here passively turning our cheek back and forth...."

Also, according to LATE 19th century US Supreme Court decisions- We ARE a Christian nation![4]

Don't let the advances of the Communist Party USA (Google "45 communist goals"[5] they are documented in the records of Congress, too) over the last 90-100 years keep you in the dark. If you do your diligent research, this truth will set you free...or hopefully, keep us free!

Actually, the separation of church and state isn't in the constitution.[6] Here's the origin of that phrase:  The term is an offshoot of the phrase, "wall of separation between church and state," as written in Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802.  The original text reads: "... I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."  Jefferson reflected his frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with religion.  I know I'm not a smart man[7] but I believe that Jefferson was saying it's ok to put a cross up and the government shouldn't do anything about it.

I don't have the time nor am I willing to waste it on you....  You appear to be a lost cause. Your unsubstantiated blather is repulsive.  That is much of the Liberal/Communist/Progressive BS that is being spewed in the schools that pretends to history.  That makes me ill.  If you read the founding fathers at all you will actually find that mist of them have stronger faith in God and specifically Jesus Christ then most of the Christians today.[8]

...Again, I implore you to goolge "45 communist goals."  IF u do that, you will see why I'm so worked up about people with insufficient knowledge trying to tear done the begins and therefore the foundations of the country that I took an OATH to defend from ALL enemies foreign and domestic.[9] The oath does not fade away now that I don't wear the uniform anymore.[10]yes, Buzz. I put all my faith in God.  Eternally, I have no fear.  As for our way of life, the nation as we knew it, I have great fear that it is changing in a way that it may never return to being One Nation Under God.

If you really think that the atheists don't want to remove God from all aspects of public life (which will destroy our nation-further), you obviously don't know any.[11]

To quote Twisted Sister: "If this is your best, then your best won't do."

It's been observed that ultimately there are only two emotions:  Love and Fear.  All other emotions derive from them.

There's an old truism that the more you fear your enemy, the more you become like him.

Perhaps the real truth is that some people project themselves on their enemies, and use that to further justify themselves.

I wouldn’t consider that to be a Christian virtue.

Or an American one.

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[1] Not according to Jesus Christ, who said "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:39 KJV)  It's pretty clear He's talking about an immediate reaction to being struck, not forgiveness if the attacker comes back saying he's sorry.

[2]  Uh...yeah.  "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me." (Matthew 16:24 KJV)

[3]  Uh...yeah.  "And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.  And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.  Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away."  (Matthew 5:40-42 KJV)

[4]  If the 19th century Supreme Court said we were a Christian nation, they also said slavery was legal and that institutionalized bigotry was okay.  The 21st century Supreme Court has said corporations -- unreal legal fictions -- are equal to human beings (even though they have no physical form and are virtually immortal; sounds like something supernatural, doesn't it?  Mammon worship in its purest form, but I digress...).

[5]  The purported "45 Communist goals" are the product of the addled brain of Cleon Skousen, a certifiable nut-bag who lost more than one government job because he acted in an unbalanced manner.  For a guy who loved liberty he sure enjoyed acting like a fascist.  Much of it appears cribbed from The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion, a notorious anti-Semitic forgery from the late 19th / early 20th century.

[6]  Yes, it is: Article 1 of the Bill of Rights states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."  That this Amendment applies not only to Congress but to all States and municipal / local governments was pretty much hammered home by the Supreme Court in 1925.

[7]  "You're not going to score any points if you keep feeding me straight lines." -- Lord Julius in Dave Sim's Cerebus.

[8]  Our founding fathers included a few militant atheists (Tom Paine, for one, who probably did more to spell out the reasons for independence than Jefferson & Adams), a large number of deists, and more than a few Unitarians.  George Washington, as president in his letter to the Jewish congregation of Rhode Island, stated American was NOT a Christian nation insofar as the laws applied equally to all and no religion (or lack thereof) would either receive an advantage or be discriminated against. to wit:  "...the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support."

[9]  Me, too.

[10]  Same here.

[11] I know & am friends with quite a few atheists, agnostics, skeptics, apostates, pagans, and free-thinkers.  The overwhelming majority of them are live-and-let-live kinda people; whatever works for you, fine, just don't force it on me.

Most of them are tolerant of cultural Christianity (i.e., Christmas decorations, religious holidays, etc.).

Yeah, there are militant atheists out there, but far, far fewer of them than there are militant Christianists (a term coined by the writer Andrew Sullivan to describe those who wish to meld Christian belief w/secular political power at the expense of non-believers).

 

 

 

 

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Some People Ask Me How I Would Define A Christian Nation (Round 1)